Published on December 17th, 2012 | by Rayne


Atheists can be good without god

The one thing that has always puzzled me as an atheist is why some religious folk (mainly Christians in my experience) think that we  are unable to be decent human beings that can do good things for others.

Take these facebook statuses in the wake of the Newtown school shooting curtsy of Proud Atheist over at Tumblr: The first picture is talking about Vicki Soto, a teacher at Sandy Hook who put all her students in a cupboard before the shooter entered the classroom. When he came in she said her class was in the gym, the shooter then shot and killed her before killing himself.

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Moral superiority – just because you identity with a community doesn’t mean you are superior to others.


I’m not generalizing all religious people in the same category as the above posters. Plenty of religious folk realise that you don’t need a holy book or supreme being to be a good person nor do they use their holy book or supreme being as a justification for being a good person but for the above posters I don’t think they get it.

You don’t need a holy text or supreme being to be a good person.

In fact I would argue that the above posters confusion about how atheists do good without god means that the only way they can do good is with god. Which is a scary thing when you think about it. People like the above posters are implying that the only way they believe you can do good in the world is: 1) if you do it for your god or 2) to get in your god’s good graces or 3) because their god says so. They aren’t doing good for the sake of doing good but because they are following an instruction.

Which is not obviously not true, this is evident by the number of secular charities that assist people in need.

It’s a sad thought, that someone can only be a good person to appease someone else rather than being a good person because it’s a nice thing to do.

Posts to check out:
Are atheists really good without god? – Ace of Clades


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51 Responses to Atheists can be good without god

  1. Gaylord Focker says:

    Please tell me how sticking your face in another woman’s dirty vagina is considered “good”.

    • Rayne says:

      Hi Gaylord,

      Considering I’m a gay woman who actively enjoys all aspects of oral sex with other women, I throughly recommend you try it before you start judging. I also suggests you have a shower before engaging in oral sex because genitals being confined in clothing all day can get smelly. Also remember to get tested regularly for STDs so you can continue being healthy.

      Thankyou for your enlightening comment. I look forward to hearing back from you.



      • Gaylord Focker says:

        So, how do you reproduce?

        • Rayne says:

          Me personally, I don’t reproduce as I have decided I don’t want children but there are plenty of options for gay and lesbian couples who want children. They are exactly the same options that sterile heterosexuals couples have who want children but can’t.

          There is adoption, fostering, IVF or surrogacy available. Each country and states within those countries have different policies and procedures for each of those options.

          I hope this information has helped.

  2. Gaylord Focker says:

    Why are women born with a uterus?

    • Rayne says:

      The female body comes equipt with a uterus to aid in pregnancy however there is no legal law or social obligation that states “if you have a uterus, you MUST use it”.

      Just because someone has a uterus doesn’t mean they have to use it. It’s up to the choice of the person with uterus. It’s the same with penises. Some men don’t want to have children, just because they have a penis doesn’t mean they must use it to help create a baby.

      It comes down to personal choice.

  3. Gaylord Focker says:

    The fact that women are born with uteri proves that what you are doing is unnatural. I rest my case.

    • Rayne says:

      How exactly? If being able to reproduce is “natural” does this mean sterile male/female couples are unnatural because they can’t reproduce? Are male/female couples who decide not to have children unnatural?

      Your opinion on the fact I’m gay is unnatural isn’t going to change the fact I’m gay. I’m still going to date women and fall in love.

      • Gaylord Focker says:

        Gay being unnatural is a fact and not an opinion. If it were natural to be gay neither men nor women would be born with reproductive organs. Basic common sense. Derp.

        • Rayne says:

          Well no. Humans have reproductive organs as a means to reproduce and continue the species. Whether or not we choose to use them is up to us. Plenty of heterosexual couples choose not to reproduce. Many heterosexuals have reproductive organs that don’t work.

          If being gay is unnatural because we can’t reproduce then by your logic, a heterosexual couple who can’t reproduce is unnatural as well.

        • Rayne says:

          I’d love to hear your evidence for this “fact” you have the being gay is unnatural.

        • Gay Fucker says:

          Fuck natural. Natural is for idiots. Go get naked and live in the woods with no shelter. There’s your natural.

  4. Gaylord Focker says:

    Unnatural does not equal “good”.

  5. David says:

    Im sorry but anyone who chooses the name “Gaylord Focker” for a username simply cannot be taken seriously. I rest MY case.

  6. Gaylord Focker says:

    I didn’t state my opinion but rather a fact. “Gaylord Focker” is just a screen name so your attempt to change the subject at hand failed. The truth is still the truth, no matter what my name is.

    • Rayne says:

      Well no. Humans have reproductive organs as a means to reproduce and continue the species. Whether or not we choose to use them is up to us. Plenty of heterosexual couples choose not to reproduce. Many heterosexuals have reproductive organs that don’t work.

      If being gay is unnatural because we can’t reproduce then by your logic, a heterosexual couple who can’t reproduce is unnatural as well.

      I’d love to hear your evidence for this “fact” you have the being gay is unnatural.

  7. Gaylord Focker says:

    Wrong. A heterosexual who can’t reproduce because there is something wrong with their reproductive organs can’t help it. It doesn’t mean that it’s unnatural and it also doesn’t mean that they should then turn gay. Are you now trying to tell me that gay people are gay because all of them have something wrong with their reproductive organs?

    • Rayne says:

      Are you trying to tell me sexuality is determined purely by reproductive organs?

      • Gaylord Focker says:

        The purpose of sex is to reproduce and that’s why humans are born with reproductive organs. Rayne, you weren’t born with a uterus so that you can lick another woman’s clitoris and a man wasn’t born with a penis so that he can insert it into another man’s ass and coat it with feces. If that were the case, you’d be born without a uterus and probably multiple clits. This is kindergarten level stuff people so why is it so difficult to understand? Ask a 5 year old whether they want a boyfriend or girlfriend when they grow up and see what they say. I bet my life that they’ll give you the obvious NATURAL answer (and it won’t be Susie saying that she wants to get married to Sally).

        • The Pinstriped Aspie says:

          No one is making you do anything you don’t want to do with your genitalia

          So stop trying to make other people do what you think they should do with theirs

          See what I did there?

          FYI, most five year olds will reply with “ewwww, cooties!!”

          Your argument is invalid.

        • Rayne says:

          I think my brain exploded.

          Side note: I wish women were born with multiple clitorises.

          So you’re basically saying that the ONLY fuction of men and women is to procreate? That’s it. Nothing else?

          Answer my question: Are heterosexual men and wonen who choose NOT to use their reproductive organs unnatural? Ny neighbours bext door are a married heterosexual couple who choose not to have children, both of their reproductive organs are perfectly fine – is there something wrong with them?

          • Gaylord Focker says:

            “I think my brain exploded.”

            Yes, that’s usually what happens to people when you present them with the truth.

          • Rayne says:

            No. That’s what happens when you’re met with mindblowing crazy:

            You didn’t answer my question: Are heterosexuals who have working reproductive organs and who choose not to have children unnatural?

            What about people who have sex recreationally and not for the purposes of procreation?

        • Metz says:

          Most sex ed programs start in at least elementary school as kindergarteners are too young to understand the mechanics. Most still think babies come from storks or cabbage patches at that age.

          In fact, you ask most five year olds whether or not they want a boyfriend or girlfriend and most will go “EW GROSS GERMS” and go back to playing with their lego.

          When I was 5yrs old I was going to marry Optimus Prime.

        • leveni says:

          ” Ask a 5 year old whether they want a boyfriend or girlfriend when they grow up and see what they say”

          Lots of 5 year old boys want to marry other 5 year old boys, and lots of 5 year old girls want to marry other 5 year old girls, but not just any 5 year old boy or girl, normally they want to marry their best friends.

          Parents and teachers, after hearing these types of marriage desires from 5 year old’s, usually tell these children that little boys can’t marry little boys and little girls can’t marry little girls, much to the dismay of the 5 year old’s.

          So, the “obvious NATURAL answer” is: Push your own personal opinions onto others when they are too young to think for themselves and they will believe whatever you tell them.

          Joking aside, the obvious natural answer is, let people marry whom ever they have fallen in love with. (Crazy from my personal perspective though, compulsory prenuptial’s with a civil union should be the only legally binding partnership between people)

          As for marriage, I have often thought the ‘death do us part’ bit of the promise should be made mandatory and legally enforced when married couples divorce. 🙂

          Obviously this guy is a troll. I was thinking 99% of the people who would come to this website would be those you have a, not very distant, connection to you(Rayne). Or a close connection to you. Maybe you know this person some how.

          Interesting Blog though.


          • Rayne says:

            Funnily enough, the only reason divorce was introduced in Australia was so battered spouses could legally get away from their abusers. Now 1 in 2 marriages end in divorce – and fundamentalists say that same sex couples will destroy marriage. Pretty sure they’ve done that all on their own.

    • Rayne says:

      So if all humans have to be heterosexual because we have reproductive organs, where did gay come from then?

  8. Annie says:

    I don’t use my uterus gay lord. Am I unnatural? As you know nothing else about me, it should be easy for you to answer my question.

  9. Gaylord Focker says:

    “No. That’s what happens when you’re met with mindblowing crazy.”

    “The thing about smart motherfuckers is that they sound like crazy motherfuckers to stupid motherfuckers.” – Robert Kirkman

    • The Pinstriped Aspie says:

      Yes, it’s called the Dunning-Krugger Effect. That would, of course, be what smart people call it.

      • Gaylord Focker says:

        I have an above average IQ and am highly skilled so that wouldn’t apply to me. Who did you say was smart again?

        • The Pinstriped Aspie says:

          IQ, pfft. I have a 127, and I’m a qualified chef. If you wanna have a pissing contest, then the urinals are that way >

          But you can find another competitor instead of wasting my time, and I suggest you answer the lady’s question.

          • The Pinstriped Aspie says:

            No, it’s not, but like I said, pissing contest is elsewhere. It’s obvious you are no match for me based on the fact that your comments have thus far been utterly moronic. That, or you’re smarter than you appear and you’re just trolling – which is it?

            I’m not here to compete for intellectual superiority here – trust me, there is no competition. The “pfft” was in relation to the fact that IQ doesn’t represent actual intelligence, it’s just a factor to consider. It’s also possible to fluke an IQ test, which is why I don’t care how high or low yours is.

            Your intellect is demonstrated, not rated. I suggest you demonstrate some, or GTFO.

    • Rayne says:

      Gaylord: Unless you answer my questions and stop avioding them, you will be banned.

  10. Delicat says:

    I’m thinking Gaylord has never seen a vagina, “dirty” or otherwise.

  11. satinka says:

    Soooo… what did any of these above comments have to do with the subject “Atheists Can be Good Without God” of which I came to read…???

    *looks left, looks right* I trust a more balanced view of life is around somewhere. I enjoyed your blog.

    • Rayne says:

      I have no idea but the commenter was a troll. I have general policy of not deleting comments unless they are crude. Censoring opions even those of sexist homophobes means sweeping them under the rug and sexist homophobes exist and their behaviour should be addressed or else they are just going to continue being sexist homophobes and not learn.

      Thanks for taking the time out to read my blog. I hope you enjoy the other topics.

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  13. Carl says:

    I’ve just stumbled onto your blog, and I am loving everything I’m reading. Intelligent, well thought out, and well true.

    I am an atheist from a highly christian family, who doesn’t want children, or marriage for that matter. It’s nice to see that there are others out there with a somewhat similar mindset, because a lot of the time I feel like I’m weird, abnormal, or crazy.

    To the “atheists have no morals” crap, I always say, “Morals come from a fear of god. Ethics come from a love for mankind.” It usually just pisses them off though.

    Again, thank you for this. You can call yourself bookmarked.

    • Rayne says:

      Thankyou dear reader.

      You can call yourself the person who put a small on my face today.

      —<--@ Out of intersst, how did you come across the blog?

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