Radical feminism is a danger to women

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I’ve met some hypocrites in my time. We all know how I feel about hypocrites, especially those within the queer community and those who claim moral superiority over others. Women who call themselves prolife and advocate to make abortion illegal while at the same time get abortions themselves annoy me. But by far the most infuriating, ignorant, hypocritical community I have ever come across is the radical feminist community.

Side note: I wonder how many people will assume I’m a man from this post? Gay cisgendered women can get sick of your shit to you know.

For those of you who don’t know what a radical feminist (henceforth know as “radfem”) is or how the radfem ideology is different to feminism stick around for my crash course in radfem hypocrisy 101.

Radfem ideology as stated by radfem authours such as Andrea Dworkin,Phyllis Chesler,Monique Wittig, Mary Daly, Jill Johnstonand Robin Morgan  believe that the patriarchy is an end in itself rather than a secondary aspect of some larger system. In other words, the patriarchy is the problem and cause of all oppression of women rather than being a symptom of the larger problem that has resulted in the oppression of women. The patriarchy in radfem ideology equates to men. All men. Rather then the patriarchy being a system of privilege that favours men, that was created by society and is policed and governed by men and women. Radfem ideology is closely linked to that of Lesbian Separatism and Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminism.

The patriarchy in itself is not men, it favours men and oppresses women, it is governed and policed heavily by men and women but it is not men. It is a system. A social structure. One that is as harmful to the men policing it as it is to the women who are oppressed by it because the patriarchal system in which we live both oppresses men and women. I’ve blogged about this before. The patriarchy itself is like a disease and the policing and governing by men and women are its symptoms. The things that you see that can help you pinpoint exactly what disease it is. In order to treat a disease, we also need to treat its symptoms and we treat the symptoms of the patriarchy by educating the men and women who police and oppress us as to why the patriarchy is damaging, how it is damaging and give an alternate solution, one that is not damaging.

Radfems obviously don’t see this because they are so blinded by their hatred for men that it has affected their brains and lowered their IQ’s to the point where they have spontaneously acquired a brain defect.

As a lesbian feminist (note: NOT radfem) myself, I am continually horrified by the hypocrisy within the separatist movement. Not just regarding the radfem ideology that men are the crux of all social issues and therefore should be oppressed and according to some executed but also from a queer equality perspective. How exactly do radfems think we are going to be able to get equality for queers and women when they are advocating the very thing we are fighting against? The oppression of men, women and transfolk. It boogles the mind.

Radfem ideology comes with its own special brand of hypocritical transphobia as well. Radical feminists as well as feminist authours have agreed to a point that gender is nothing more than a social construct. That the idea of the gender binaries is completely a human made concept and one that must be destroyed. Which in part I agree with. Gender binaries and gender roles have been designed and policed within society to the point where they are oppressive to men and women. Where I diverge from traditional radical feminist thinking is that I understand the idea that gender can still be an intrinsic part of who you are. A transgender person can still feel they have been born in the wrong body and that their gender does not match the sex they were assigned at birth based on their genitalia even with the gender binaries and gender roles being a human made concept. The concept of gender exists and has been taught in society – therefore there must be deviations away from the mean. Even if the mean is taught. Natural diversity.

The concept of gender binaries is nothing more than the social division of men and women. In societies eyes, men equal individuals who have penises between their legs and women equal those who have vaginas between their legs. Not only does this statement confuse the term sex and gender but this division by society negates the existence of genderqueer, intersexed and transgender people. The concept of gender roles is the role that a person is expected to play in society based on what’s between their legs. These are both human made concepts designed for control. Yet your gender identity is still an intrinsic part of who you are and how you feel internally. A transgender individuals sex (based on their genitalia) and their gender do not match.

In more simple terms (Liv, 2004):

Biological Sex:

The first component of human identity is biological sex. Everyone is assigned a biological sex at birth based on an examination of the visible genitalia. When sex is not easily assigned, the person is referred to as intersexed.

Gender Identity:

Gender identity is defined as the internal experience of gender, how one experiences their own sense of self as a gendered being. Gender itself is a social construct that divides people into categories of men and women based on ones sex as assigned at birth. For most people their gender identity is congruent with their assigned sex. This means that if they are “male” they experience themselves as “men” and if they are “female” they experience themselves as “women”. Transgender people are aware of the reality that their physical bodies do not feel that it describes who they really are inside.

A person’s self-concept of their gender regardless of biological sex is called gender identity. Gender and gender identity are learned at an interactional level, reified at the cultural level and institutionally enforced via family, law, religion, politics, medicine and the media. Therefore while the concept of gender and gender identity is human made, the incongruence that is felt by a transgender person is still very much real as their internal self does not align with their outside body.

Gender role expression:

Gender role expression is the expression of masculinity or femininity. Gender role is the socialised aspect of gender that is linked to appearance, behaviour and personality. This is not linked to a person’s sex assigned at birth. When a gender role is divergent from social expectations, the person is perceived as genderqueer, a crossdresser or a gender bender.

Sexual Orientation:

We all know what sexual orientation is but many don’t understand that it is not linked to our gender role expression or gender identity.

Like most cisgender individuals, radfems don’t understand how a transgender person can exist because they themselves aren’t transgender. Cisgendered people do not have a misalignment between their gender identity and their sex which is why it is so easy to disregard trans feelings as non-existent. It is because of this belief that gender is nothing more than a social construction rendering transgender people non-existent that radfem ideology is unsurprisingly transphobic. This results in beliefs (generally contrary to both what transpeople themselves have said about their own identities, and the medical consensus on gender dysphoria) that transwomen are nothing more than effeminate men who have been regulated by the patriarchy to the status of women or that they are male trying to invade “female only” spaces to harm them and transmen are just women trying to claim male privilege for themselves. This isn’t restricted to heterosexual transpeople, lesbian transwomen are often dismissed as men who only transitioned in order to infiltrate “female only” spaces to rape cisgender women.

Because thousands of dollars worth of surgery to alter your body is worth it if it means having sex with lesbians, right? (sarcasm)

Aside from the bigotry within the radfem community, by far the most damaging of the ideological mindset of a radfem is the belief that not only are men the cause of all problems (and therefore woman aren’t) but also that violence against women can only and has only ever been perpetrated by men (and if you’re Andrea Dworkins or this person, you believe that every man is a rapist and all forms of sex with men are rape).

I had this exchange with a radfem last night on Twitter:

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Let me be the first to point out that denying that lesbians can rape and have raped women is not only fucking insane but incredibly damaging to women who have been sexually assaulted by women. As I’ve stated in the Twitter conversation, reframing the term “violence against women” to “male violence” renders any violence against women from anyone other than a male person, completely invisible. Domestic violence and the sexual assault of women by women is under reported as it is.

Radfem ideology damages women because it denies issues affecting women and by lashing out at men, alienating them and generalising them as all rapists and oppressors rather than educating them, it further oppresses women because how are we meant to progress towards a cultural shift of equality when radfems are alienating our biggest allies? It’s a obvious danger to all trans* and intersexed people because it renders them non-existent.

References:

Liv, A. (2004). Transgender Emergence: Therapeutic Guidelines for Working With Gender-Variant People and Their Families. Routledge.


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  1. I wonder, when women who hate men for the sake of hating men look in the mirror, do they not see the very object of their hatred, the men that hate women for the sake of hating women?

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    • I think the mass generalisations which has resulted in irrational anger and hatred has clouded their ability to think and understand.

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  2. Hi,

    I am interested in doing some research on gender equality. Would you say that “radfem” ideology is the only separatist ideology in the feminism movement? I feel that there is not a binary collection of ideologies, but a gradient – a scale with infinite values in between two extremes.

    I would argue that it does not matter what gender you are, or what your sexual orientation is, that determines where one is on that spectrum. Where you are depends on your desire and support for gender equality and sexual orientation equality, or lack thereof.

    I would further argue that an inequality in any direction, toward any group, is not a goal of any moderate feminist.

    I am interested in hearing your opinion on that matter.

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    • I would say that radical feminism is a subsect of feminism – a much more extreme sect.

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    • I don’t think it is appropriate to put all radical feminists in the same bucket. Though this specific group says they are radical feminists Fred Phelps calls his group Christian. TERFs are the extreme and do not represent the majority of radical feminists.

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      • The internet seems to be using them interchangably. It also seems to depend on the person – not all radfem’s are transphobes and vice versa. All the information I’ve seen from academia pounts towards the above definitions, unfortunately most likely in part because the transphobic radfem’s seem to have the loudest voice.

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        • Exactly

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  3. Radical feminists do not “hate” men. I should know, being one myself and also being married to a man. I’m not going to address everything in your post because I honestly don’t have time (I know that sounds like SUCH a brush-off, and I’m sorry!) but I wanted to point that out. As for the issue of reframing violence against women as “male violence” it IS indeed important to name the perpetrator of literally 99% of the violence directed at women in this world. Nobody would be stupid enough to claim that women never brutalize each other, but announcing that when we’re still trying hard to get everybody to acknowledge the fact that the comparatively enormous issue of male violence (whether directed at women or other men) really is derailing. It’s the same as when people start discussing the epidemic of rape, especially as it exists in a world where we’re all very consistently taught that women aren’t worth as much as men, and someone pops up to remind everybody that, well, men can be raped too, y’know! Obviously there ARE male rape victims (the majority of whom were raped by other men, and all of whom deserve respect and sympathy) but focusing on outliers basically results in everybody shrugging their shoulders and saying, “Well, women and men are equally responsible for rape, then, and it’s a human problem” rather than saying, “Let’s get to the root of this, figure out what the common theme is, and start there.” I should note here in case you’ve gotten the wrong impression that most radfems also believe that male violence isn’t some innate biological failure but a social construct built by–you guessed it–the patriarchy.

    Okay, I have to rush off now, but I’ve been reading your blog a bit and think you’re awesome, btw!

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    • I use the term “radical feminist” to describe a very small yet vocal extremist subset of feminism – one with the ideologies listed above. Obviously this extremist subset doesn’t apply to every feminist or every radical feminist. Not all radical feminists affilate themselves with the extremist subsect I’m talking about.

      I agree that it is vital to name the offenders of the vast majority of crime against women however reframing “violence against women” to “male violence” renders the other offenders of violence against women invisible. Regardless of how small a percentage those other offenders are – they need to be visible and the problems addressed which is why “violence against women” needs to remain. If we address only men as rapists but neglect the other non-male offenders of violence against women, we enable violence against women to continue with nothing being resolved. Taking out 99% of the problem still leaves 1% remaining.

      The term “male violence” generalises all men as rapists which is unfair and inaccurate. Men themselves aren’t our enemies – the patraichal system that favours them is. Rape culture and ignorance is. Apathy from men and women is. Men as a group are powerful yet uneducated – men as individuals are powerless and uneducated. Men are victims of the system as much as women are. Men who committ crimes against women certainly need to be persecuted – however the flaws in the system need to be as well.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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    • “…a world where we’re all very consistently taught that women aren’t worth as much as men…”

      Who teaches that and on what world is that taught? Men are taught to lay down their lives for women and women are taught to expect this sacrifice from men. It is the old gender-role of male as protector. It’s rooted in our shared biological evolution whereby one woman’s egg is far more valuable to the species than a billion little sperm. That’s not patriarchy oppressing women. That is nature oppressing us all. If you “radfems” really want to make a difference and effect change to reduce oppression, they will stop blaming men and “patriarchy” and get into chemistry and physics and engineering to create the technologies that liberate all of us from nature. Tremendous strides have been made by women in the field of biology and that is awesome! But you radfems are stuck in the circular logic and cult of shaming. Example: patriarchy theory–male dominance is the cause of oppression and oppression is the cause of male dominance. That is a simplistic answer to very complex questions. It’s alluring to people who fail to critically think and prefer to dwell on misplaced hatred toward men–patriarchy. Substitute “the Jews” for “the Patriarchy” and you have a clear-cut case of cult-mentality.

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      • I agreed. Radfem ideology is very “us vs them”. It definately shouldn’t be that way.

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  4. Thank you for writing this, Rayne. I have been troubled for some time by the “why” of the “rad-fem” ideology, particularly the hatred reserved for trans women, as espoused by Janice Raymond and her ilk. The posts and writings I’ve read, even now, are beyond vile in their descriptions of us (I’m trans, for the record).

    There is one point, however, that I would like to personally clarify, and that is in the definition of “gender identity”; as stated: “Gender identity is defined as the internal experience of gender, how one experiences their own sense of self as a gendered being.” Further: “A person’s self-concept of their gender regardless of biological sex is called gender identity. Gender and gender identity are learned at an interactional level, reified at the cultural level and institutionally enforced via family, law, religion, politics, medicine and the media.”

    I agree with this definition, for the most part; where that agreement diverges is in my own experience, i.e., “Gender and gender identity are learned …” ; I did not learn what my gender identity was, I knew I was a girl, a female. The learning part came when, at the age of 4 or 5, I rudely “learned” that I was a boy, not a girl, all because of my anatomy. I have not been able to explain this phenomena of self-awareness, which a few others have also described, without delving into the spiritual realm. I will not do that at this time, I only wanted to point out that, for some of us, the idea of our identities being social constructs is not entirely true.

    Thank you for helping to make us aware; the fight for equality includes all of us, women and men. Without inclusion, the battle will rage on indefinitely.

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    • Thank you for writing this, Rayne. I have been troubled for some time by the “why” of the “rad-fem” ideology, particularly the hatred reserved for trans women, as espoused by Janice Raymond and her ilk. The posts and writings I’ve read, even now, are beyond vile in their descriptions of us (I’m trans, for the record).

      The ideology and treatment of transfolk is really quite disgusting.

      There is one point, however, that I would like to personally clarify, and that is in the definition of “gender identity”; as stated: “Gender identity is defined as the internal experience of gender, how one experiences their own sense of self as a gendered being.” Further: “A person’s self-concept of their gender regardless of biological sex is called gender identity. Gender and gender identity are learned at an interactional level, reified at the cultural level and institutionally enforced via family, law, religion, politics, medicine and the media.”

      I agree with this definition, for the most part; where that agreement diverges is in my own experience, i.e., “Gender and gender identity are learned …” ; I did not learn what my gender identity was, I knew I was a girl, a female. The learning part came when, at the age of 4 or 5, I rudely “learned” that I was a boy, not a girl, all because of my anatomy. I have not been able to explain this phenomena of self-awareness, which a few others have also described, without delving into the spiritual realm. I will not do that at this time, I only wanted to point out that, for some of us, the idea of our identities being social constructs is not entirely true.

      I would argue that gender (or at least gender policing and gender roles) are learned even subconsciously through the messages portrayed in the media, books, movies and the school yard. Boys learn that they must be tough warriors whereas girls learn that to be accepted as girls they must learn to cook and clean and be submissive. That’s why it’s so hard for youth that defy the gender stereotypes and/or are transgender because they don’t fit the gender roles and gender expressions that are being taught throughout society.

      Thank you for helping to make us aware; the fight for equality includes all of us, women and men. Without inclusion, the battle will rage on indefinitely.

      Thank you!

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  5. I agree with all of this, i just dont get why most of the radical feminists dont get it.

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    • -sigh-

      Me neither

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  6. http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=75998#p75998

    Good post.

    If someone were to dispute the terms “patriarchy” and “cisgender” or even eliminate them completely, the argument still works because of how it was constructed. For example:

    “In order to treat a disease, we also need to treat its symptoms and we treat the symptoms of the patriarchy by educating the men and women who police and oppress us as to why the patriarchy is damaging, how it is damaging and give an alternate solution, one that is not damaging.”

    Eliminate the term patriarchy completely and you can still have a discussion.

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  7. I want to thank you for this article. As a man trying his hardest to learn all sides of everything going on, it is difficult to try and understand everything (Would that be the patriarchy – the society that we live in that’s raised me blind and/or ignorant to the issues?) that has to do with feminism, radfeminism, misogyny and misandry. I have a wall of text ready and I sure hope that it isn’t too much to get a reply on as much of it as possible.

    On the topic of misandry, I’ve been getting quite frustrated today over the notion that misandry “doesn’t exist”. I’m a member of several sites where there are many women who flat out state that they hate men. They wish harm upon men. They say men should be castrated, thrown away, etc. It makes me very sad to see that anyone would think like this.
    At it’s core, is that not misandry? A hatred of men? Yet these women will be the same women to turn and say that misandry does not exist. It just does not add up in my mind and maybe I need some clarification.

    My next subject – my multiple attempts at suicide when I was a teenager. I’ve read several places that my depression and attempts on my own life when I was younger was a result of the patriarchy. I don’t quite understand how that is. A lot of women have been making me feel as if my attempt to terminate my own life and the depression from failing multiple times was somehow an extremely lesser problem to just about everything else in the world. Maybe I’d understand what they’re trying to say if I could get some clarification.

    I have a concern about the term “feminist” itself. Adding “fem” to the word makes it feel extremely exclusive to just females. If equality was truly the goal, would “humanism” not be a better term to use?

    Lately, I’ve been hearing the term “privilege” a lot. I’ve come to understand what it means, I think. I’m a white, cisgendered male. So I have the privileges that come with those. I do not exactly know what those privileges are though. I’ve lived a life of poverty as long as I can remember. I was physically and emotionally abused as a child for being white. To top it off, it seems as if a lot of women hate me just because I am a man. Why does it feel like my problems and concerns are being put behind everyone else’s? I recognize that there are larger issues out there that need to be worked on and mine are (mostly) in my past, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t still suffering the same things I did. Why is that, because I’m a man, I don’t feel like my concerns carry equal weight as the many women who seem to hate me?

    I’ve been told that I’m statistically more likely to rape someone since I am a male. Why is it then that I’m already treated as a rapist by many? Why am I a statistic? Why am I being judged prematurely?

    I think that’s all I have for now. I have been extremely overwhelmed today. I’ve been told multiple times that I need to die and that I’m useless. I almost cried because of how much hate I felt and I’m just confused. I’m trying to educate myself as much as possible and all I receive in return is resentment for things I’ve never done.
    I don’t want to seem ignorant, but maybe that’s what I am. I’m fine with being ignorant so long as I’m making this attempt to learn. And this truly is my last attempt before I give up and go to bed. Everybody else has spurned me.

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    • I want to thank you for this article. As a man trying his hardest to learn all sides of everything going on, it is difficult to try and understand everything (Would that be the patriarchy – the society that we live in that’s raised me blind and/or ignorant to the issues?) that has to do with feminism, radfeminism, misogyny and misandry. I have a wall of text ready and I sure hope that it isn’t too much to get a reply on as much of it as possible.

      I would say it’s society at large that makes people blind because people are used to it.

      On the topic of misandry, I’ve been getting quite frustrated today over the notion that misandry “doesn’t exist”. I’m a member of several sites where there are many women who flat out state that they hate men. They wish harm upon men. They say men should be castrated, thrown away, etc. It makes me very sad to see that anyone would think like this. At it’s core, is that not misandry? A hatred of men? Yet these women will be the same women to turn and say that misandry does not exist. It just does not add up in my mind and maybe I need some clarification.

      Misandry exists, not quite in the same way misognyn exists but it still does. Men are objectified much like women. Women are taught to take it as a compliment even if they don’t like it, men are taught to take it as a compliment and are expected to like it. These women you interact with are hypocrites. Misandry means men not being able to walk down the street dressed as women for fear of being hurt or death. Misandry is telling men that they can’t be raped and are they only people responsible for rape. Misandry is telling men that they can’t have emotion or must be expected to like nothing but sex and cars. Misandry is men and women policing a man’s behaviour and appearance.

      My next subject – my multiple attempts at suicide when I was a teenager. I’ve read several places that my depression and attempts on my own life when I was younger was a result of the patriarchy. I don’t quite understand how that is. A lot of women have been making me feel as if my attempt to terminate my own life and the depression from failing multiple times was somehow an extremely lesser problem to just about everything else in the world. Maybe I’d understand what they’re trying to say if I could get some clarification.

      Your attempts at suicide could be anything – the reason for them should be something you explore and discover with support of a qualified professional. Don’t take the pseudo-psychologist claptrp spewed out from an internet hypocrite as gospel. I would strongly suggest seeking some assistance in the form of a professional in your area.

      I have a concern about the term “feminist” itself. Adding “fem” to the word makes it feel extremely exclusive to just females. If equality was truly the goal, would “humanism” not be a better term to use?

      Feminism was coined because at the times it was strictly practiced by women. It’s only been recently that men have realised that that they can be feminists and that’s okay. An all encompassing word would be nice. I like “humanist”.

      Lately, I’ve been hearing the term “privilege” a lot. I’ve come to understand what it means, I think. I’m a white, cisgendered male. So I have the privileges that come with those. I do not exactly know what those privileges are though. I’ve lived a life of poverty as long as I can remember. I was physically and emotionally abused as a child for being white. To top it off, it seems as if a lot of women hate me just because I am a man. Why does it feel like my problems and concerns are being put behind everyone else’s? I recognize that there are larger issues out there that need to be worked on and mine are (mostly) in my past, but that doesn’t mean people aren’t still suffering the same things I did. Why is that, because I’m a man, I don’t feel like my concerns carry equal weight as the many women who seem to hate me?

      Anyone who devalues someones issues simply because they belong to a privilege group is a jerk. Plain and simple. Your expereinces are no less important than anyone elses.

      I would suggest looking into the term “Kyriarchy” which is the framework of privilege but expanded. The basis of Kyriarchy is “No one person has all the privilege, everyone has a little bit of privilege based on aspects of themselves”. For example: I have less privilege as a woman over a man but I have more privilege as a white woman over a woman of colour. Men of colour have a little bit more privilege than me but a little bit less because they are of colour and I’m white. I have more privilege than a woman of colour but not a straight women of colour because I am a gay woman etc…

      I’ve been told that I’m statistically more likely to rape someone since I am a male. Why is it then that I’m already treated as a rapist by many? Why am I a statistic? Why am I being judged prematurely?

      It would be very hard not to take things personally when you live within a group associated with high statistics. If I were to harzard a guess, I would say that people are cautious of you because you are male simply because of the high statistics of women getting rape especailly by men they don’t know. Women are wary of men because unfortunately they have to be.

      I think that’s all I have for now. I have been extremely overwhelmed today. I’ve been told multiple times that I need to die and that I’m useless. I almost cried because of how much hate I felt and I’m just confused. I’m trying to educate myself as much as possible and all I receive in return is resentment for things I’ve never done.

      I don’t want to seem ignorant, but maybe that’s what I am. I’m fine with being ignorant so long as I’m making this attempt to learn. And this truly is my last attempt before I give up and go to bed. Everybody else has spurned me.

      Just remember a lot of women aren’t intentionally jerks (some are) but have just been worn down by years of having to educate others. It’s compeletly okay to be ignorant as long as you educate yourself. Unfortunately if I were you – stop expecting something in return for your self education. You aren’t going to get it from a lot of people. Most women will see it as “Well you should already know” but most people don’t because we aren’t taught that by society. All the concepts you have been learning aren’t taught to us so we have to learn them. Congratualations of educating yourself, it’s a great thing but for the sake of not being disappointed – don’t set yourself up where you expect a pat a on back or a thankyou. Very few will give it to you. It’s no fault of yours but the faults of the people who already know the concepts. They just expect everyone to know.

      Also stay away from feminist forums. They really suck.

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      • I think it is also worth stating that what constitutes ‘privilege’ is variable based on the environment. For example, white christians in Saudi Arabia do not necessarily experience the same kind of privilege as white christians in the United States.

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        • Agreed. Privilege is also determined by location as well.

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  8. I’ve met some wonderful radical feminists along side some truly hateful ones. So in that regard, I haven’t exactly found a single description of a radfem that is truly accurate to what I personally observe.

    Now, to expand on focusing on males as the offenders is really damaging to those “unicorn” victims. When those ‘exceptional’ victims are brought up and considered a ‘de-rail’, it tells them two things. One, it tells them that they aren’t important and don’t deserve any discussion. Saying that someone deserves respect means close to nothing if people respectfully disregard you. Secondly, it tells them, effectively, to shut up. That their existence is a distraction and that they don’t -really- deserve to talk about what happened to them.

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  9. As a bisexual male, how about we stop saying “violence against women” and “male violence” we just try to fix “violence”. Gender, sexuality, and relationship status should have zero hold over how we look at it. It doesn’t matter if it’s a woman beating a woman, a man beating a man, a man beating a woman, or a woman beating a man. It’s wrong. Plain and simple. Labels that are unnecessary only serve to hinder the advancement of society as a whole. Labels that ARE necessary are nothing more than names and titles. Something to allow you to know someone, something, or an idea.

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  10. Radfems sure love to pull statistics out of their asses.

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